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Takeo Higuchi - ipmu.jp
14 Nov 2021, 05:47
Dear Yuma,

I have read the draft and could not find any major issues in it. Indeed, I read the draft is perfect.

I write a couple comments just for your considerations.

L118: 6 / 32 = 187ns. The meaning of the symbol ÷ varies depending on the language.

L137: How did you obtain the distributions shown in Fig.4? You may want to add more information about the data, collision data or MC. You may also want to add the way to distinguish the signal hits from off-time background hits.

L220: What is the time window for the (time-) integration of the radiation dose? The normalization area of the radiation dose is not clear to me; is the listed value, 70 krad, normalized to the area of one L3 sensor?

Best,
Takeo
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
14 Nov 2021, 10:27
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
14 Nov 2021, 10:36
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
14 Nov 2021, 10:43
Dear Higuchi-san,

(Sorry for spamming, my comments cut off after one or two sentences and didn't appear correctly...)
Thank you for your comments.
L118: Thank you for pointing, I modified accordingly.
L137: Thank you, I added a description in footnotes.
L220: In my understanding, the integration over time is for the full run period, i.e., from the start of the opration in March 2019. For the normalization area, I think radiation dose does not depend on area, since they're normalized by the mass as 1 rad = 0.01 J/kg.

Best regards,
Yuma

Takeo Higuchi - ipmu.jp wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 05:47:

Dear Yuma,

I have read the draft and could not find any major issues in it. Indeed, I read the draft is perfect.

I write a couple comments just for your considerations.

L118: 6 / 32 = 187ns. The meaning of the symbol ÷ varies depending on the language.

L137: How did you obtain the distributions shown in Fig.4? You may want to add more information about the data, collision data or MC. You may also want to add the way to distinguish the signal hits from off-time background hits.

L220: What is the time window for the (time-) integration of the radiation dose? The normalization area of the radiation dose is not clear to me; is the listed value, 70 krad, normalized to the area of one L3 sensor?

Best,
Takeo

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Libby - iitm.ac.in
15 Nov 2021, 05:39
Dear Uematsu-san,
Please find below some language/style comments. I thought the structure was good.
All the best,
Jim

Line 57: collision -> collisions
Line 58: Delete ‘The’
Line 58: consists of -> consists of the following components:
Line 58: dumping -> damping
Line 61: mass-resonance -> resonance
Line 62: high statistics -> large samples
Line 63: none of the hyphens are required for layer-$n$ here
Line 64: 4-GeV -> 4 GeV
Line 64: for the -> for
Line 65: measurement -> measurements
Line 65: integrated -> an integrated
Line 68: rewording of last sentence: The data accumulated before July 2021 corresponds to an integrated luminosity of 213 fb$^{-1}$.
Line 70 and 71: no hyphens
Line 74: Detailed ..appear -> A detailed description of the SVD appears
Line 85: in case -> in the case of
Line 85: Ks decay -> Ks mesons, which decay
Line 87: energy deposit dE/dx -> ionisation energy deposits. [dE/dx is not used again]
Line 89: no need for capitalisation in defining acronyms, e.g., Double -> double
Line 90: $X_0$ -> of a radiation length
Line 91: readout Aluminium -> aluminium readout
Line 98: layer 456 -> layer 4, 5, and 6 (twice)
Line 98: forward/slanted region -> forward region, which is slanted.
Line 102: here and elsewhere use a ~ between value and unit to ensure they appear on the same line so in this instance 60~V.
Line 103: , 20~V -> and 20~V
Line 103: , and -> ;
Table 1 caption: taking -> taken
Line 107: for CMS -> for the CMS
Line 107: APV25 -> The APV25
Line 107: for over -> for a dose up to
Line 109: APV25 -> the APV25
Line 112: each sampled information in the -> each sample’s information in an
Line 114: comma before in
Line 115: to operate -> operation
Line 117: successive six -> six successive
Line 119: which accepts -> to accommodate
Line 123: APV25 -> the APV25
Line 135: the smaller -> smaller
Line 136: the smaller. To reduce -> reduced. To minimize
Line 138: the single -> a single
Line 138: read out the signals -> read out of the signals is
Figure 2 caption line 1: The plot explains the sampling -> Sampling
Line 140: 700W->700~W
Line 149: was gone after cable reconnection -> which was remediated by reconnecting a cable
Line 151: stably -> continuously
Line 154: losses -> is lost
Line 156: SNR -> signal-to-noise ratio
Line 163: well agrees -> agrees
Figure 3 caption: Layer -> layer (twice)
Figure 3: space before opening parentheses e.g. green (blue)
Line 168: the hadrons event data -> hadron-event data
Line 170: of SVD -> of the SVD
Figure 4 caption: The plot shows an example -> Example
Line 187 and 189: samples -> sample’s
Line 217: damages->damage
Line 255: SVD -> The SVD
Line 257: in higher luminosity -> during higher luminosity running
Reference general: no comma before et al., volume numbers should be in bold, same format for journal abbrevation, i.e., [3] and [4].
Line 271: (2010). -> (2010), (also [3])
Line 290: babar -> BaBar
Figures 6 and 7 caption: The effect -> Effect
Figure 6 caption: forward region -> forward region (Micron) [to match legend]

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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
15 Nov 2021, 12:09
Dear Jim,

Thank you very much for the corrections. I think I implemented all the points except for Reference.
In Reference, the bibtex style is set to elsarticle-num in the sample, so I cannot change bolds/commas.

Best regards,
Yuma

Libby - iitm.ac.in wrote on 15 Nov 2021, 05:39:

Dear Uematsu-san,
Please find below some language/style comments. I thought the structure was good.
All the best,
Jim

Line 57: collision -> collisions
Line 58: Delete ‘The’
Line 58: consists of -> consists of the following components:
Line 58: dumping -> damping
Line 61: mass-resonance -> resonance
Line 62: high statistics -> large samples
Line 63: none of the hyphens are required for layer-$n$ here
Line 64: 4-GeV -> 4 GeV
Line 64: for the -> for
Line 65: measurement -> measurements
Line 65: integrated -> an integrated
Line 68: rewording of last sentence: The data accumulated before July 2021 corresponds to an integrated luminosity of 213 fb$^{-1}$.
Line 70 and 71: no hyphens
Line 74: Detailed ..appear -> A detailed description of the SVD appears
Line 85: in case -> in the case of
Line 85: Ks decay -> Ks mesons, which decay
Line 87: energy deposit dE/dx -> ionisation energy deposits. [dE/dx is not used again]
Line 89: no need for capitalisation in defining acronyms, e.g., Double -> double
Line 90: $X_0$ -> of a radiation length
Line 91: readout Aluminium -> aluminium readout
Line 98: layer 456 -> layer 4, 5, and 6 (twice)
Line 98: forward/slanted region -> forward region, which is slanted.
Line 102: here and elsewhere use a ~ between value and unit to ensure they appear on the same line so in this instance 60~V.
Line 103: , 20~V -> and 20~V
Line 103: , and -> ;
Table 1 caption: taking -> taken
Line 107: for CMS -> for the CMS
Line 107: APV25 -> The APV25
Line 107: for over -> for a dose up to
Line 109: APV25 -> the APV25
Line 112: each sampled information in the -> each sample’s information in an
Line 114: comma before in
Line 115: to operate -> operation
Line 117: successive six -> six successive
Line 119: which accepts -> to accommodate
Line 123: APV25 -> the APV25
Line 135: the smaller -> smaller
Line 136: the smaller. To reduce -> reduced. To minimize
Line 138: the single -> a single
Line 138: read out the signals -> read out of the signals is
Figure 2 caption line 1: The plot explains the sampling -> Sampling
Line 140: 700W->700~W
Line 149: was gone after cable reconnection -> which was remediated by reconnecting a cable
Line 151: stably -> continuously
Line 154: losses -> is lost
Line 156: SNR -> signal-to-noise ratio
Line 163: well agrees -> agrees
Figure 3 caption: Layer -> layer (twice)
Figure 3: space before opening parentheses e.g. green (blue)
Line 168: the hadrons event data -> hadron-event data
Line 170: of SVD -> of the SVD
Figure 4 caption: The plot shows an example -> Example
Line 187 and 189: samples -> sample’s
Line 217: damages->damage
Line 255: SVD -> The SVD
Line 257: in higher luminosity -> during higher luminosity running
Reference general: no comma before et al., volume numbers should be in bold, same format for journal abbrevation, i.e., [3] and [4].
Line 271: (2010). -> (2010), (also [3])
Line 290: babar -> BaBar
Figures 6 and 7 caption: The effect -> Effect
Figure 6 caption: forward region -> forward region (Micron) [to match legend]



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Giulia Casarosa - pi.infn.it
16 Nov 2021, 15:28
Hello Yuma,

very nice paper, I do not have any major comment. Most of my comments were already pointed out by Jim, so I just drop them.
The remaining ones are reported below.

-- main comments:

line 84-90: from the point of view of the importance, I suggest to move the standalone tracking & PID capabilities before the Ks reconstruction.

line 122: the 6-sample time window is effectively (6-1)/ 32 MHz = 156 ns and not 6/32 MHz = 187 ns because the last sample closes the interval.

line 199: the first of the subset of 3 samples depends on the relative shift and on the trigger bin, so the selected 3 samples are not in fixed positions. What is fixed is the latency of the first of the 3 samples with respect to the trigger arrival. Maybe you can change it into "by selecting consecutive three samples at a fixed latency with respect to the L1 trigger signal"

lines 207-210: we probably want to keep it as it is, but the loosening by a factor 2 on the occupancy is optimistic

-- minor comments (text typos/suggestions)

line 42: operating -> operated? Jim did not pointed this out, so I maybe wrong.

line 107: can consider adding "approximately" in "approximately 224,000 strips"

line 150: problems -> problem (again, Jim did not pointed this out, so I maybe wrong.)

line 172: "in candidate hadronic event"?

-- Figures & Tables

Figure 1: layer3 and PXD have the same color, but I guess you can't change the picture.

Table 1: "Table of the dimensions for the three sensor types"

Figure 2: "Example of sampling..."

Figure 4 caption: the black distribution represents background, but not all background is off-time. I suggest to remove "off-time".

Figure 5: you can consider to write explicitly that it's the 3-sample divided by the 6-sample efficiency in the caption.
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
17 Nov 2021, 03:42
Dear Giulia,

Thank you very much for your comments. I implemented comments except for points below:

line 122: the 6-sample time window is effectively (6-1)/ 32 MHz = 156 ns and not 6/32 MHz = 187 ns because the last sample closes the interval.
This depends on the definition of the time window. If we regard one sample as representative of 31 ns time-window, then the time window is simply 6 x 31 ns.

line 42: operating -> operated? Jim did not pointed this out, so I maybe wrong.
Here I used the verb 'operate' as intransitive, and in my understanding the meaning is almost the same in this context.

line 150: problems -> problem (again, Jim did not pointed this out, so I maybe wrong.)
It seems either is fine, so I'll keep as it is.

Best regards,
Yuma
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Libby - iitm.ac.in
17 Nov 2021, 04:03
Dear Uematsu-san and Giulia,

Just following up on the language queries. First 'operating' is correct as the SVD is still working inshallah. When it no longer is we should move to operated.

Second, this is a grey area and both are in common usage as they are describing hypothetical situations: a single problem or many problems that didn't happen. However, re-reading the sentence I actually think this clause is redundant as it conveys the same information as 'smoothly and reliably', i.e., a major problem would prevent you using these adjectives, so in the interests of concise prose it could be dropped.

All the best,

Jim
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
17 Nov 2021, 04:58
Dear Jim,

Thank you for comments!
Second, this is a grey area and both are in common usage as they are describing hypothetical situations: a single problem or many problems that didn't happen. However, re-reading the sentence I actually think this clause is redundant as it conveys the same information as 'smoothly and reliably', i.e., a major problem would prevent you using these adjectives, so in the interests of concise prose it could be dropped.
I dropped the clause as suggested.

Best regards,
Yuma
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Giuliana Rizzo - pi.infn.it
17 Nov 2021, 13:00
Dear Yuma,

thanks a lot for the very nice and clear paper.

Below my comments that you might consider to improve a bit the text in some points.
It's a long list but most of them are really minor things.

There were a few things that are more relevant related to the :
- resolution plot esplanation
- limit on rad damage for svd sensors worth to be added


ciao,

Giuliana



Fig 1
Make it bigger if possible
In this picture SVD is in RED and PXD in light blue, but with the colored box for the different sensor types, especially Layer 3 is NOT really well visible. Can you use a different color for the BOX of L3 sensor NOT similar to PXD?
Caption: change it adding this …. In the upper half of the VXD the locations of the three types of SVD DSSDs are indicated by boxes in three colors:…

Line 77
Remove. Beside the VXD … starts with
Diamond sensors [3], used to monitor the radiation dose and for the beam abort system, are mounted on the IP beam pipe and the bellows pipes outside of the VXD…

Line 79
Remove : “They measure the dose rates in these locations.”

Line 80: à The diamond’s measured doses are used to estimate the dose in the SVD.

Line 81: à The diamond system also send

Line 86: à … limiting the PXD readout data volume

Line 87: critical à crucial

Line 93 :
Remove this sentence from here, not clear at all. Same info added later in the text.
The aluminum readout strips are AC-coupled to every other n/p-side strips (electrodes) on the n-type substrate over the silicon oxide layer.

You want to say 2 things here:
-the strips are AC coupled to what??? You can mention this later in line 109 when you start to talk about the APV25
-there is a floating strip. And this can go simply in the caption of table 1 as I proposed below.

Line 99: mention that small and large sensors are rectangular
“small” rectangular sensors in layer 3, “large” rectangular sensors in the barrel region of layers 4, 5, and 6, …..

Line 101 blue box à other color you used for Layer 3 sensor if you change the fig 1 as proposed.



Line 102: Not only dimensions but also pitches etc are summarized . Change to:
The main characteristics of these three types of sensors are summarized in Tab. 1.

Table 1
Mention in the caption that there is a floating strip in between 2 readout strip
“….All sensors have one intermediate floating strip between two readout strips. “

Line 109.
Add a sentence for AC coupled strips.
Sensor strips are AC coupled to the front-end ASIC, the APV25 [5] which was originally developed for the CMS silicon tracker.

Line 122:
.. offers a large enough time window

Line 141 : change a bit to make it clear:

APV25s chips are mounted on a single side of the sensor and readout of the signals from the opposite side is performed via wrapped flexible printed circuits.


Line 144 :
The chips are cooled by a bi-phase –20â—¦ C CO2 evaporative cooling system.

Line 155: continuously à stably

Line 158:
the sentence is not clear. the reason of the charge loss on n side is not that the inter-strip capacitance of the floating strips with large pitch is significantly smaller than on p side….The effect is due to the presence of the floating strip, but the interstrip capacitance in p and n side are not that different. The loss originates if these interstrip capacitance becomes comparable with the capacitance of the strip to the back side, that for small pitch is negligible. This last one scales with the pitch/2 (strip implant pitch) so the capacitance to the back is a factor 3 higher on n side than on p side. When the capacitance to the back side become larger (as in n side) and no longer negligible w.r.t. the interstrip capacitance we start to see the loss.

This is too much to be explained in the text but the sentence should be corrected a bit:

On the v/n-side, 10–30% of the collected charge is lost compared to MIP due to the smaller inter-strip capacitance of the floating strips with larger strip pitches than the u/p-side.
à On the v/n-side, 10–30% of the collected charge is lost compared to signal collected on the u/p side, due to the presence of the floating strip combined with the large pitch on the n side.



Line 164: insert some commas.
The cluster position resolution is estimated from the residual between the cluster position and the track position, not biased by the target cluster, after subtracting the effect of the track extrapolation error.

Line 160
On the resolution the comment on the plots is not completely correct especially for L3.

The behaviour of the resolution vs incident angle is: a minimum for 2 strip clusters (when the the projection of the track length on the strip is = pitch , since we have the floating), but after this angle it would also start to deteriorate.

Now as written in the SVD paper (page 171 of V1 ) I report also below, for the very small pitch of u side the minimum resolution is expected at very small angle: it is 4-7 degree for L3-L456. So I would expect the minimum close to normal incidence and then some deterioration of the resolution, which is not very visible, since I think we see still some effect of the track estrapolation error not well subtracted that : increase a bit the resolution also at normal incidence, and diluted a bit the behaviour with angle.

So my point here is that the “main” issue in our current plot for resolution especially in L3 u side is NOT that we don’t observe a reduction of the resolution of with angle in L3 Uside, as it’s written now, but probably that we can still improve the U side resolution ….


FROM SVD PAPER
“ The cluster position resolution as a function of the track incident angle is shown in figure for data and simulated events. The observed resolution has the expected shape, showing a minimum at the incident angle for which the projection of the track along the direction perpendicular to the strips on the detector plane corresponds to two strip pitches. Given the various sensor pitches with one floating strip, the minimum is expected at 4 (7) degrees for the u/P side and at 14 (21) degrees on the v/N side, for layer 3 (4, 5, 6). Considering the various sensor pitches with the floating strip (table 1), the expected digital resolution for perpendicular track is 7 (11) ðœ‡m on u/P side and 23 (35) ðœ‡m on v/N side for layer 3 (4,5,6), similar to the measured resolutions.”


My proposal would be something like this:

The observed resolution has the expected shape, showing a minimum at the incident angle for which the projection of the track along the direction perpendicular to the strips on the detector plane corresponds to two strip pitches.
Given the various sensor pitches with one floating strip, the minimum is expected at 14 (21) degrees on the v/n side and at 4 (7) degrees for the u/p side, respectively for layer 3 (4, 5, 6).
The resolution for normal incident angle is also in good agreement with the expected digital resolution, that is 23 (35) ðœ‡m on v/n side, 7 (11) ðœ‡m on u/p side, respectively for layer 3 (4, 5, 6).
Still some studies are ongoing to improve the analysis for the cluster resolution especially for the layer 3 U side, were at normal incidence a slightly higher resolution is measured (9 um) compared to the expectations

Line 217:
After the mentioned dose/yr and eq. n fluence I would mention the “limit” of SVD w.r.t integrated damage (before you mentioned the one on occupancy from tracking) to give
the full picture. Then you would say that although we have some safety margin ~ 2-3 on detector limit w.r.t the BG estrapolation (also considering the integrated radiation damage after 10 yr of operation) we are exploring the VXD upgrade to increase this margin considering the large uncertainty on BG estrapolation ..

I would add here a sentence:

The corresponding integrated dose, using the data/MC rescaled BG estrapolation, is about 0.2 Mrad/smy, and the equivalent 1MeV neutron fluence is about 5 × 1011 neq/cm2/smy (smy: Snowmass Year = 10^7 sec).
Considering the radiation hardness of the SVD sensors, about 10 Mrad and about 10^13 neq/cm2 , based on the past experience of similar DSSD sensors used in the BaBar silicon vertex tracker (quote the BaBar Nim Paper) ,
we expect to be able to safely operate the SVD even for 10 years at high luminosity, with some safety margin w.r.t BG extrapolation of about a factor 2-3.

Line 219: add some text
This uncertainty, together with the relative small safety factor 2-3 between the BG estrapolation and the detector limits, motivates the VXD upgrade which improves the tolerance of the hit
rates and the radiation damage, and the technology assessment is ongoing for
multiple sensor options.

Line 233:
In the first two and a half years of operation the integrated radiation dose
in the layer-3 mid-plane sensors, which are the most exposed in the SVD,
is estimated to be 70 krad. The estimation is based on the measured dose by the diamonds on the BP exploiting the measured correlation between the SVD occupancy and the diamonds dose.

Line 242:
à The evolution of the noise with the integrated dose is shown in Fig. 7.

Line 254
Fixed oxide charges on sensor surface increase non-linearly, enlarging inter-strip capacitance…..
à Fixed oxide charges on sensor surface increases with dose, with some saturation expected at around 100 krad, enlarging also non-linearly the inter-strip capacitance, also expected to saturate with dose. The noise saturation is already observed on the v/n-
side and also starts to be seen on the u/p-side.
(remove last sentence This behavior agrees with the increase of fixed oxide charges.)

Line 253:
From this measurement full depletion voltages consistent with measurements performed before the installation on the bare sensors were obtained, ranging from 20 to 60V, and so far no…

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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
18 Nov 2021, 02:14
Dear Giuliana,

Thank you very much for your comments and corrections.
And thank you very much for precise explanations for the v/n-side charge, position resolutions, and adding informations on radiation tolerance.
Now I understand the points correctly, and implemented your suggestions.

Line 87: critical à crucial
I use 'critical' here to avoid using 'crucial' second times in one paragraph...
Line 155: continuously à stably
This point is corrected by Jim, so I want to keep as it is.

Best regards,
Yuma
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Giuliana Rizzo - pi.infn.it
18 Nov 2021, 07:06
Uematsu - hep.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 02:14:

Dear Giuliana,

Thank you very much for your comments and corrections.
And thank you very much for precise explanations for the v/n-side charge, position resolutions, and adding informations on radiation tolerance.
Now I understand the points correctly, and implemented your suggestions.

Line 87: critical à crucial
I use 'critical' here to avoid using 'crucial' second times in one paragraph...
Line 155: continuously à stably
This point is corrected by Jim, so I want to keep as it is.

Best regards,
Yuma


Dear Yuma,
thanks!

Sorry but I forgot to mention another important thing regarding the NEW quoted dose, that is now lower than what we quoted in the past Vertex proceeding (cited also in your paper). I think we should add a comment on this significant reduction of the integrated dose with time! since otherwise would sound strange or an error.

I propose the following change for the text around Line 225 to include this comment and also to cite the Thesis By Ludovico that is explaining in detail the new dose analysis with new trigger line. Ludovico is now uploading his thesis in the Document server so it could be cited
https://docs.belle2.org/collection/Theses?ln=en

Line 225
In the first two and a half years of operation the integrated radiation dose in the layer-3 mid-plane sensors, which are the most exposed in the SVD,
is estimated to be 70 krad. The estimation is based on the measured dose by the diamonds on the BP, exploiting the measured correlation between the SVD occupancy and the diamonds dose (cite L. Massacesi Thesis in document server). Thanks to the introduction of a new random trigger line, recently made available, we could improve the dose analysis, removing a bias of about a factor 3 that gave an overestimation of the dose in previous analysis.
The new estimate still has an uncertainty of about 50%, mainly due to the unavailability of the appropriate trigger before December 2020.


I also noticed the ref to the Vertex 2020 paper should be corrected:
G. Rizzo et al, “The Belle II Silicon Vertex Detector: Performance and Operational Experience in the First Year of Data Taking”, JPS Conf.Proc. 34 (2021) 010003

By the way, I noticed in my previous post there was a typo (only on the comment and not in the proposed text) regarding the resolution,
I wrote:
"the projection of the track length on the strip is = pitch, since we have the floating) ...
but I meant to write
the projection of the track length on the strip is = pitch/2 , since we have the floating),
The text I proposed for the paper and the angle for the mininum in resolution are anyaway correctly calculated with pitch/2 for the projection so they are fine.

ciao,

Giuliana
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I propose the following change for the text around Line 225 to include this comment and also to cite the Thesis By Ludovico that is explaining in detail the new dose analysis with new trigger line. Ludovico is now uploading his thesis in the Document server so it could be cited >>https://docs.belle2.org/collection/Theses?ln=en

Dear Yuma,
I just submitted my thesis on the document server. The reference is BELLE2-MTHESIS-2021-078, which you can find here https://docs.belle2.org/record/2759/ .

Best regards,
Ludovico
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
18 Nov 2021, 12:05
Dear Giuliana,

Thank you again for your comments!

Line 225
In the first two and a half years of operation the integrated radiation dose in the layer-3 mid-plane sensors, which are the most exposed in the SVD,
is estimated to be 70 krad. The estimation is based on the measured dose by the diamonds on the BP, exploiting the measured correlation between the SVD occupancy and the diamonds dose (cite L. Massacesi Thesis in document server). Thanks to the introduction of a new random trigger line, recently made available, we could improve the dose analysis, removing a bias of about a factor 3 that gave an overestimation of the dose in previous analysis.
The new estimate still has an uncertainty of about 50%, mainly due to the unavailability of the appropriate trigger before December 2020.
Regarding the uncertainty, I wrote as 30%, because, if I understand correctly, the 50% is on the dose before December 2020, 42 krad. 42 krad x 50% / 70 krad = 30%

I also noticed the ref to the Vertex 2020 paper should be corrected:
G. Rizzo et al, “The Belle II Silicon Vertex Detector: Performance and Operational Experience in the First Year of Data Taking”, JPS Conf.Proc. 34 (2021) 010003
Thank you for correction! I downloaded the citation from JPS web, but it doesn't contain enough information...

Best regards,
Yuma
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
18 Nov 2021, 12:21
Dear Ludovico,

Thank you! I included the url in the citation.

Best regards,
Yuma
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Giuliana Rizzo - pi.infn.it
18 Nov 2021, 12:52
Uematsu - hep.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 12:05:

Dear Giuliana,

Thank you again for your comments!

Line 225
In the first two and a half years of operation the integrated radiation dose in the layer-3 mid-plane sensors, which are the most exposed in the SVD,
is estimated to be 70 krad. The estimation is based on the measured dose by the diamonds on the BP, exploiting the measured correlation between the SVD occupancy and the diamonds dose (cite L. Massacesi Thesis in document server). Thanks to the introduction of a new random trigger line, recently made available, we could improve the dose analysis, removing a bias of about a factor 3 that gave an overestimation of the dose in previous analysis.
The new estimate still has an uncertainty of about 50%, mainly due to the unavailability of the appropriate trigger before December 2020.
Regarding the uncertainty, I wrote as 30%, because, if I understand correctly, the 50% is on the dose before December 2020, 42 krad. 42 krad x 50% / 70 krad = 30%

I also noticed the ref to the Vertex 2020 paper should be corrected:
G. Rizzo et al, “The Belle II Silicon Vertex Detector: Performance and Operational Experience in the First Year of Data Taking”, JPS Conf.Proc. 34 (2021) 010003
Thank you for correction! I downloaded the citation from JPS web, but it doesn't contain enough information...

Best regards,
Yuma

Dear Yuma,
I quoted the 50% that was also mentioned in the final evaluation by Ludovico in his thesis.
The uncertainty on the dose estimate are rather large, not only coming from the unavailability of the trigger line before Dec 2020.
We have other sources of uncertainty: for example, the correction due to the EODB, that is applied but, as you know, we only have the measurement of this bias for 1-2 special runs (and we know how different the injection quality could be also changing this number), also the effect of the diamond saturation could be another effect (difficult to be estimated).
So in the end quoting 50% is probably "reasonable", with respect to only the 30% coming from the uncertainty before Dec 2020.

ciao,

Giuliana
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
18 Nov 2021, 12:57
Dear Giuliana,

Thank you for the explanation! Now I understand the reason of "50%".

Best regards,
Yuma
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Stefano Bettarini - pi.infn.it
19 Nov 2021, 10:36
Dear Yuma,

sorry to bother you but Robin spotted 2 small typos in the autor list and produced the new one on confluence: "vertex2021_pasd12_corrected.tex"
Please use that in the version to submit.

Thank you,

Stefano
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
19 Nov 2021, 10:39
Dear Stefano,

Thank you for the notification, I implemented the corrections from Robin.
Regarding the author list, I also updated the institution of Kookhyun, from Kyungpook to IPMU, on his request.

Best regards,
Yuma
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Giuliana Rizzo - pi.infn.it
19 Nov 2021, 17:54
Uematsu - hep.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 10:39:

Dear Stefano,

Thank you for the notification, I implemented the corrections from Robin.
Regarding the author list, I also updated the institution of Kookhyun, from Kyungpook to IPMU, on his request.

Best regards,
Yuma



Dear Yuma,

regarding the author list I see L. Massaccesi is mispelled
In the version I see now it is written with only 1 c L. Massacesi, but it should be written with 2 c.

Do you also have the updated list with Kookhyun moved from Kyungpook to IPMU.

ciao,

Giuliana
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Yuma Uematsu - kek.jp
19 Nov 2021, 23:49
Dear Giuliana,

Thank you, I fixed the spelling.
Regarding the list on confluence, I see Stefano already uploaded the updated list (Thank you!).

Best regards,
Yuma

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